i think that the first 2 videos are just plain pointless, all it is doing is trying to show how far away the mine is from the bay, the last one is saying that it is giving many jobs to people in need of them, the first 2 are propaganda, and the last one is a good arguement
The first video is the best because shows who far the mind is from the bay. The last video show that is is good for the people because is gives jobs to the people
I think the first argument is propaganda, because no matter how far inland pebble mine is the rivers that it interferes with will still lead to Bristol bay. The last video is a good argument however, there are other places to find work at that dont involve destroying an ecosystem.
I think that the first and second videos were a waste of time but it was good how it showed the distance but as leelou said all of the waste will go to Bristol bay. The last video was a good argument but America I think should put some companies in Alaska, things like Fish markets, and more wildlife preserves so people can get more jobs.
I think that the first two videos didn't really give a point it just told us things about it. The third one is trying to persuade you to say yes to the pebble mine. Showing people coming to Alaska just to find work. It kind of turns you more on the yes side but if you look at the straight facts you know that no to the pebble mine is best.
OK. in the first two videos, scientists supporting pebble mine are obviously not making a good argument. but the blame is not on them. the blame is on all the people who have this misconception in their minds about pebble mine! pebble mine will NOT go into the streams, there is about a 99.99% chance! i think in the argument people need to look at the reasonable statistic and focus on whats important.
however, if it does break, the first two vids are propaganda because it can still get into the rivers.the last video was a good argument because it defeats the other side of the argument
Yeah The first two videos show that she is walking 15 miles to the site... Salmon can swim HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MILES and they can do that UPRIVER!
The third video makes more of a point, however it only shows the Alaskans who want the money. Sooo many more people don't live for the money and they live for the salmon! The thrill of eating a salmon that they caut with there own hands is way greater for them than fine dining.
I think that this video is a bit misleading because it is showing those that are against the pebble mine that the project offers jobs in the hard economy and it really does help people. My opinion though is still against the mine because the wildlife has been their longer that humans have existed so it doesn't seem fair to put the ecosystem at risk.
Robert: I think your statement of there being a 99.99% chance of not harming the rivers is a bit inflated. There are many examples of open-pit mines that have irreparably damaged surrounding watersheds.
The question is not really in the percentages of what could happen. I think most people against Pebble Mine, myself included, realize that there is a chance that they pull it off and do protect the watersheds. If they do, great. BUT there IS a chance, no matter how small, of the slag and waste products leaking in to the most productive, pristine salmon rivers on Earth and killing everything in them. Also, the chance of leaks increases over time. If the mine is abandoned in 60 years, what will become of the dams that hold the toxic sludge back? Will the company keep maintaining them forever? Probably not. These rivers are one of the last strongholds of these salmon, they are endangered or extinct in most of the rivers they historically spawned in. Can't these two just be set aside for the preservation of the salmon resource?
RIGHT YOU ARE! Mr. Erdosy, but let me tackle your first "argument". "Your way" has been happening for years. cleary, this town is in need of some MULA, and salmon doesnt seem to cut it. people discusing the pebble mine idea are fully aware of the consequences and realize how to mantian the mine. the amount of fossil fuels in the mine are very high and it will not be "abandoned" for 60 years. all the the things you mentioned are probably going to be handled. but as i said before, you simply ave to look at the good side of things and the more reasonable side, "toxic sludge" wont get into the lake...MARK MY WORDS.
Joe- it think your argumet about a "simple life" is very reasonable and i would prefer to have it that way, living along side the salmon. but there is no stopping a town that wants monay and there is no stoppin technology. i must say, though i would prefer it that way
All we can do to begin this argument is look at the evidence.
Are Open-Pit Mines started with the best of intentions? - Yes
Do Open Pit Mines sometimes not live up to those intentions, and damage watersheds? - Sometimes.
Is there a chance that Pebble could damage the Bristol Bay Watershed? - Yes
Is the Bristol Bay watershed unique? - Yes
Is it worth it to put this unique fishery and watershed at risk of destruction? - Your call.
Hopefully, Pebble lives up to its intentions. But it MIGHT not. In my opinion, risking the last, great salmon fishery on the planet is not worth all of the money on the planet.
When you say there is no stopping them, there is. If enough people rebel and the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES says no, then it wont happen.
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of course there is a chance for anything.both mr.E and joe. i hate it when people say "there is a chance" but you just have to use your judgement. joe, nobody is going to rebel against the president.
mr. E. , just face it, its going to happen, and you are wrong.
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LOL i didnt say rebel against the president! the president hasn't made a decision i said if people rebel against pebble mine!
joe, your argument is not gonna happen.
The argument people have agaisnt peeble mine is that its either salmon or mine=salmon wins. what REALLY is going on is money or no money and no salmon is somme small portion imbetween the argument. the fact that this is the main argument of the people against peeble mine is absurd.
The argument people have agaisnt peeble mine is that its either salmon or mine=salmon wins. what REALLY is going on is money or no money and no salmon is somme small portion imbetween the argument. the fact that this is the main argument of the people against peeble mine is absurd.
It so will happen there are soooo many people already rebelling and so many more to come. soooo few people want the money.
I think that the first two should not be aired because they are completly untrue and the last one is not propaganda
I think that the first and second videos were a waste of time but as leelou said all of the waste will go to Bristol bay. The last video was a good argument but I think they should put some things like Fish markets, and more wildlife preserves so people can get more job. It would help a lot of people with money problems.
My point of view is that I think that the Pebble Mine is not only going to destroy the ecosystem, yet the community of people from the arguments and hate that will go towards it.
My point of view is that I think that the Pebble Mine is not only going to destroy the ecosystem, yet the community of people from the arguments and hate that will go towards it.
The first and second video doesn't make sense to me.
The first video is just pointless , it does not matter how far the mine is from the bay, it is still destroying land But the second is good, It shows that it could be good for people with not alot of money who need to make more
I think that they should not do the mine because of all the samon the river gets a year that will just mess u the hole prosses with that grizzle bear the wolves, they will not have any thing to eat they might starve to death
I think that the thrid video is the best argument and I still do not agree that that pebelmine should go in because it does not mater how far away it is. It can still easily get there in many different ways so I think no pebble mine.
Amusing stuff reading Joseph, Robert and Mr E 's arguments. 1. I think the first two videos are RuBbIsH points. 2. I've got no idea which argument I am for. The first thing I think is that the Pebble Mine should go ahead. Why? Because there's a chance it won't affect Bristol Bay... and if it looks like it might, maybe we can find a way to solve that problem. Us humans have solved some pretty awesome problems so we could perhaps come up with a way to solve this potential one...? On the other hand.... Mr E is right. Why not just save Bristol Bay and set up a mine somewhere else. It might be a perfect location, but still. Presently, I think I am leaning towards being FOR the Pebble Mine. - Was unable to post comment on Thursday and Friday because "the website encountered an error." Sorry it is late.
I think video one and two are defineatly just crossed out, the third video has the best argument. IT DOESNT MATTER HOW FAR AWAY THE MINE IS FROM THE RIVER, I MA SURE IT IS STILL GOING TO DO LOTS OF DAMAGE TO THE ECOSYSTEM!!! NO PEBBLE MINE!!!!!!
This argument with Roberts opinion Joe's and Mr.Erdosy's opinion and argument has taken me both ways with my opinion on the Peeble Mine argument. The first two videos are of course using propaganda where she is exaggerating and making a point for the open pit mine saying that the open pit mine is no where near the rivers and the the main bay. The last video is not using propaganda because most peoples reasons that they want the mine to happen is because they dont have a proper job that can support them with the reasonable amount of money that they need. I think that the possibility for the mine happening is 50% chance. My opinion is going both ways. If they went through with making the mine then the money will really help with improving the towns. But the amount of money they might be given will not last forever and if the rivers are destroyed then the money will go down again and they will not be able to go back and fish so they wont get any money. The other reason is that the area that they would put the open pit mine is a beautiful area and the mine will make it look horrible. My opinion- No Peeble Mine